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KL
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twinkle toes
#1
   11/14/2008 9:10 AM
posting in thread: (AQ in Iraq in 2002.)
           
According to a CIA op who was there.


Quoting...

"Charles “Sam” Faddis, who led a CIA team into northern Iraq following the 9/11 attacks, says the Pentagon’s “endless planning and delays” foiled a chance to wipe out a band of al Qaeda leaders who were fleeing American bombs in Afghanistan.

Faddis says the delays, beginning in 2002, also facilitated the escape of some “key” al Qaeda figures, including terrorist scientists who were working on chemical and biological weapons.

“Some died, some are still on the run,” Faddis said in a telephone interview Tuesday, following his appearance on NPR’s Diane Rehm Show to promote a new book, Operation Hotel California: The Clandestine War Inside Iraq. "

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I'm sorry, but i continue to believe you have to be absolutly naive to believe Al Queda did not have some kind of relationship with Iraq.  At teh very least, you can say Iraq did have ties to terrorist organizations if not Al Queda.  Ansar al Islam in the north, the Salmon Pak training facility, Abu Wael, Abu Nidal.  At the very least, Al Queda operatives in Afghanistan knew where to go when the kitchen got to hot, and that was Iraq... whether Saddam cared about it or not.  His providing safe haven to Abu Nidal speaks otherwise.


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Criticalmass
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#2
   11/14/2008 9:52 AM
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Clinton is being considered as Secratary of State. Now theres a nice visual of our country in 3 years.
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KL
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twinkle toes
#3
   11/14/2008 11:10 AM
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From Michael Yon, solid independent reporter on the ground in Iraq.




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"

"THE WAR IS OVER AND WE WON:" Michael Yon just phoned from Baghdad, and reports that things are much better than he had expected, and he had expected things to be good. "There's nothing going on. I'm with the 10th Mountain Division, and about half of the guys I'm with haven't fired their weapons on this tour and they've been here eight months. And the place we're at, South Baghdad, used to be one of the worst places in Iraq. And now there's nothing going on. I've been walking my feet off and haven't seen anything. I've been asking Iraqis, 'do you think the violence will kick up again,' but even the Iraqi journalists are sounding optimistic now and they're usually dour." There's a little bit of violence here and there, but nothing that's a threat to the general situation. Plus, not only the Iraqi Army, but even the National Police are well thought of by the populace. Training from U.S. toops has paid off, he says, in building a rapport.

He says the big problem everybody is talking about now is corruption. But hey, we have that here, too. He'll be heading to Afghanistan next week. "Afghanistan is a bad situation, but on Iraq I can't believe things have turned out so well."

He thinks that Obama will be able to pull troops out, and send some to Afghanistan, without creating problems in Iraq. Michael will be reporting from Afghanistan soon, and sending back video, so stay tuned. Things aren't going swimmingly there.

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I hope Obama surges into Afghanistan, I would support him in that endevour.
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Shortbus
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#4
   11/14/2008 11:23 AM
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I thought Michael Yon worked for rolling stone? lol your sources for random quotes are loltastic
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TwistdSun
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#5
   11/14/2008 10:27 PM
posting in thread: (AQ in Iraq in 2002.)
           

Replying to post #1   11/14/2008 9:10 AM


quoting: KL

According to a CIA op who was there.



Quoting...

"Charles “Sam” Faddis, who led a CIA team into northern Iraq following the 9/11 attacks, says the Pentagon’s “endless planning and delays” foiled a chance to wipe out a band of al Qaeda leaders who were fleeing American bombs in Afghanistan.

Faddis says the delays, beginning in 2002, also facilitated the escape of some “key” al Qaeda figures, including terrorist scientists who were working on chemical and biological weapons.

“Some died, some are still on the run,” Faddis said in a telephone interview Tuesday, following his appearance on NPR’s Diane Rehm Show to promote a new book, Operation Hotel California: The Clandestine War Inside Iraq. "

End Quote



I'm sorry, but i continue to believe you have to be absolutly naive to believe Al Queda did not have some kind of relationship with Iraq.  At teh very least, you can say Iraq did have ties to terrorist organizations if not Al Queda.  Ansar al Islam in the north, the Salmon Pak training facility, Abu Wael, Abu Nidal.  At the very least, Al Queda operatives in Afghanistan knew where to go when the kitchen got to hot, and that was Iraq... whether Saddam cared about it or not.  His providing safe haven to Abu Nidal speaks otherwise.




You say because some Al Queda were in Northern Iraq fleeing from Afganistan, Iraq must have been supporting them.
By the same logic, since we had a CIA team in Northern Iraq at the same time, Iraq was also supporting the CIA.
 
But Al Queda couldn't have been in Northern Iraq without Iraq knowing and supporting them you will say.
 
The obvious response is, why the hell not. 
 
Either way, the pentagon ****ing around in 2002 happened on your boy GW's watch.  Unless your going to somehow try and blame Clinton for that too.
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·×ÎW×·Guardian
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#6
   11/15/2008 8:35 AM
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So your point is that the CIA's intelligence was Al Queda may have been in Iraq and they left in 2002?
 
The US invaded in 2003...
 
 

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"I'm sorry, but i continue to believe you have to be absolutly naive to believe Al Queda did not have some kind of relationship with Iraq.  At teh very least, you can say Iraq did have ties to terrorist organizations if not Al Queda. "

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Clutching at strings. Not enough evidence to justify the war. 
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oompah
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Dan Potash lied
#7
   11/15/2008 11:45 AM
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check out my sig - ljbh
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KL
member #3
twinkle toes
#8
   11/15/2008 1:25 PM
posting in thread: (AQ in Iraq in 2002.)
           

Quoting...

"
You say because some Al Queda were in Northern Iraq fleeing from Afganistan, Iraq must have been supporting them.
By the same logic, since we had a CIA team in Northern Iraq at the same time, Iraq was also supporting the CIA.
"

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So hey, as long as Saddam is nto "supporting" al queda is his own country, they are more than welcome to hang out, just like Abu Nidal as well as the jokers training at Salmon Pak.
 
In any case, are you willing to let Al Queda coast safely into Iraq after Afghanistan and not be willing to overthrow Saddam and basically turn Al Queda into nothingness as our military just did?
 
I noticed I got no answer there.  Same old bullcrap, just like ABC in 1998.
Clinton in office = Saddam, Al Queda, and Bin Laden working together in harmony
Bush in office = OMG not only no connection, no possibility for a connection EVER!.
 
 
 

Quoting...

"
So your point is that the CIA's intelligence was Al Queda may have been in Iraq and they left in 2002?
 
The US invaded in 2003...
"

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I guess reading 101 was not a course in some colleges.  Not even getting into Al Queda, Saddam put quite a track record supporting terrorist as it is.  $25,000 bonus checks to families of Pakistan suicide bombers, Abu Nidal living in Bagdad, Salmon Pak.  Again I won't get into Czech intelligence STILL TODAY standing by their intelligence that Muhammed Atta met with Iraqi officials in Prague before 9.11,  the only evidence we have to refute that is his cell phone was used in teh states.  Of course you have to assume in his small group that he would never just leave his cell phone with his buddies.  
 
Al Queda flowing into Northern Iraq in 2002, Abu Musab Al-Zarqaqi enters Iraq in 2002... where the hell did you think Al Queda was going to go after Afghanistan in 2002?    I would really like an answer on that one even though the answer and the evidence is quite clear, they were going (hell they were already there) into Iraq to link up with Ansar al Islam (very active in Northern Iraq).  I know... this is more complicated than "Bush lied, people died", but its very important, and very clear if your mind is open enough to understand why the United States went into Iraq.
 
As I mentioned before (and Ive never ever gotten an answer to this... ever).  In 1999, ABC was sure to do investigative reporting, to the point that they flat out said Saddam and Bin Laden were working together.
 
 
Now I don't know about you, but the only thing that changed from 1999 to 2003 was the president, so why the difference in "common knowledge"?
 
Fact remains in 1999 it was common knowledge that Saddam harbored terrorists and that was accepted by the peons while Clinton was bombing them to cover for his affairs.  All of a sudden though, it became "Bush lied, people died".
 
Don't fall for the politics.
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oompah
member #2,829
Dan Potash lied
#9
   11/15/2008 4:55 PM
posting in thread: (AQ in Iraq in 2002.)
           
ABCnews lied people died
 
come on KL srsly Bin Laden and Saddam working together that's laughable; any right minded person would never believe that to be the case.  WTF are you going to say next.. OJ is guilty?  Man walked on the moon? The earth is round? All these conspiracy theories  makes me want to puke tbh



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 Edited By oompah [ 11/15/2008 5:00:20 PM ]
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Shortbus
member #637
DWKB Club
#10
   11/17/2008 5:00 PM
posting in thread: (AQ in Iraq in 2002.)
           
Don't bring the moon debate into this. there was never an Al Queda link with Sadaam.
 
The girl on the View tried to argue that the world could in fact be flat, that was pretty funny tbh.

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